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Season article leads

@Wasianpower: has expressed concerns with the layout of the leads of the Disney+ season articles at this discussion. I would like to gauge whether others agree or disagree with these concerns. If there is consensus that a change is needed, it would be great to make that decisions here so we can apply the improvements to each of the articles. This would impact:

The current layout for each season follows a standard approach used in many Good Article-level season articles. It is also very similar to the series articles (The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Star Wars: Ahsoka, etc.). Here is a basic rundown:

  • The first paragraph establishes what series the season is part of, and its relationship to the Star Wars franchise; the basic premise of the season; and the production companies and showrunner
  • The second paragraph begins with the cast, then gives a summary of the production section
  • The third paragraph covers release details, summarises the reception, and notes the announcement of the next season if applicable

I think this layout works well for these articles, as it does for so many others, but I am open to working on adjustments if others agree that it is necessary. I am strongly opposed to cramming a bunch of information into the opening sentence rather than spreading out the key details per MOS:LEADSENTENCE. I will let Wasianpower explain their concerns. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion the current layout leaves a good deal of ambiguity. Per MOS:LEADSENTENCE and WP:PYRAMID, key identifying information should go first, including who/what/when, which can then be built out with details. Here is the current opening paragraph for Ahsoka season 2, which started this discussion:

The second season of the American television series Ahsoka is part of the Star Wars franchise, taking place in the same timeframe as the series The Mandalorian (2019–2023) after the events of the film Return of the Jedi (1983). It follows Ahsoka Tano and her Jedi apprentice Sabine Wren as they are stranded in another galaxy, while Grand Admiral Thrawn leads the remnants of the Galactic Empire against the New Republic. The season is produced by Lucasfilm and Golem Creations, with Dave Filoni serving as showrunner.

Compare this to another upcoming show, for example, here is Gen V season 2:

The second season of the American satirical superhero television series Gen V, the third series in The Boys franchise, based on The Boys comic book story arc We Gotta Go Now by Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson, is scheduled to premiere on Amazon Prime Video on September 17, 2025.

The Gen V opening places its emphasis on the real world who (based on The Boys comic book story arc We Gotta Go Now by Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson), what (The second season of the American satirical superhero television series Gen V) and when (scheduled to premiere on Amazon Prime Video on September 17, 2025).
In comparison, the Ahsoka has several important details missing. We only get the "what" out of the first sentence (The second season of the American television series Ahsoka) and don't get the "who" until the last sentence. More importantly though, there is no "when" anywhere in the paragraph. Reading it, you would have no idea that the season has not released yet — a very important detail.
I'd like to reword the paragraph to better work with WP:PYRAMID and WP:FIRSTSENTENCE. Here is my suggestion:

The upcoming second season of the American television series Ahsoka, created by Dave Filoni as part of the Star Wars franchise, is expected to release on the streaming service Disney+ and consist of eight episodes. The show takes place in the same timeframe as the series The Mandalorian (2019–2023) after the events of the film Return of the Jedi (1983). The season will follow Ahsoka Tano and her Jedi apprentice Sabine Wren as they are stranded in another galaxy, while Grand Admiral Thrawn leads the remnants of the Galactic Empire against the New Republic. The series is produced by Lucasfilm and Golem Creations.

The wording can definitely be tweaked (I'm guessing "created by" might be inaccurate, I'm unsure the appropriate way to verb showrunner) but I'm moreso focused on the organization and priortization of information. One other change in this version is the addition of "will follow" to the plot description, to indicate to the reader that the plot could change between now and the release of the show.
The methodology can also be applied to the other shows listed, for example, the first season of the Mandalorian:
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The first season of the American television series The Mandalorian is part of the Star Wars franchise, set after the events of the film Return of the Jedi (1983). It follows a lone bounty hunter who goes on the run to protect "The Child". The season was produced by Lucasfilm, Fairview Entertainment, and Golem Creations, with Jon Favreau serving as showrunner.
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The first season of the American television series The Mandalorian, created by Jon Favreau, is part of the Star Wars franchise and was released on on the streaming service Disney+ on November 12, 2019. The show is set after the events of the film Return of the Jedi (1983) and follows a lone bounty hunter who goes on the run to protect "The Child". The season was produced by Lucasfilm, Fairview Entertainment, and Golem Creations.
🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
This seems unnecessary, many GA-quality articles use the current formatting (of Star Wars Disney+ series) for the lead. It's more organized and ordered; and consistent with other GAs. Vestrian24Bio 03:03, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
I guess I just don't understand how it's beneficial or okay from a reader's perspective to read through the opening paragraph and not know whether or not a season has been released yet. I'm fine with moving some of this stuff around but what’s the justification other than "other stuff exists"-style arguments? In universe information does not seem important enough to prioritize for the first sentence. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
I think the Gen V article is a bad example to follow, as it is clearly cramming way too much information into one sentence. I don't agree that we should be moving the release information into the first sentence, there is not a single year like with films, it is a date range with episode information which will become too much for the first sentence. If you just want to list the premiere date in the first sentence and leave the rest of the release info for later in the lead then we fall into the problem of unnecessarily duplicating information. And I do think we should be focusing on the showrunner of the season rather than the creator of the entire show. Overall, my feelings about this remain the same: there is no reason to include all of the key details in the first sentence, and MOS:LEADSENTENCE specifically says we shouldn't. The key details should be spread throughout the lead in a logical order. As long as a reader understands all the key details by the end of the lead, we have done our job right. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:05, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
I don't understand your reading of MOS:LEADSENTENCE to be quite honest. It specifically couches which information should be prioritized in the first sentence: The first sentence should introduce the topic, and tell the nonspecialist reader what or who the subject is, and often when or where. It should be in plain English. I'd say the current version is the one cramming unnecessary information in — why are we putting such a high priority on in-universe information? It's fine to want to move date information out of the first sentence, I don't entirely disagree for seasons that have already been released since that’s the assumption most readers will make. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
I initially lean toward the first sample only because it is simpler and too the point - while the second might lean more toward real-world (our goal), it's also a lengthy run-on. I kind of like what the Good Article Star_Trek:_Picard_season_1 does, which is a high-level plot overview - production info comes later. But readability is my preference. I'm in principle equally fine fine with e.g.
  • The first season of the American television series The Mandalorian is a Star Wars series created by Jon Favreau. or,
  • The first season of the American television series The Mandalorian is a Star Wars series that follows a lone bounty hunter who goes on the run to protect 'The Child'.
I think, though, most readers are more interested in "what is this thing about?" rather than "who's the artist who created it?" in which case I lean toward neither of the original samples and prefer the second bullet sample Picard model. --EEMIV (talk) 12:26, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
I like that model, we can include the other real world information elswhere in the first paragraph. For Ahsoka season 2, what are you thoughts on this @EEMIV?

The upcoming second season of the American television series Ahsoka is a Star Wars series that will follow Ahsoka Tano and her Jedi apprentice Sabine Wren as they are stranded in another galaxy, while Grand Admiral Thrawn leads the remnants of the Galactic Empire against the New Republic. The series was created by Dave Filoni, set in the same timeframe as The Mandalorian (2019–2023). It is produced by Lucasfilm and Golem Creations and is expected to consist of eight episodes released on the streaming service Disney+.

The first sentence can maybe be cut down a bit, but I'm not sure where to cut. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Lengthy but...fine. Jedi apprentice could probably be bluelinked to Sabine Wren to cut back some words. Last sentence might need to indicate when it's expected to be released, if that's been disclosed. --EEMIV (talk) 20:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
I don't understand why we would separate the setting from the premise and shove it between the creator and production companies. Just doesn't make sense to me. And if we are looking to Star Trek: Picard season 1 as an example, we are actually already following the same format as that article: the first sentence establishes the connection to the franchise / general setting, the second sentence gives the premise of the season, and the third sentence lists the production companies and showrunner. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:24, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
This way feels much more logical in terms of what the readership cares about IMO. That said, I’m happy to comprimise and just add the words “upcoming” and “will” to the lede of Ahsoka season 2 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

List of Star Wars characters

I started a conversation at List of Star Wars characters, linked here: . I was the editor responsible for converting the article away from a table-based format to a paragraph-based format akin to Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in October 2022. I have evolved as an editor since then, and I believe this may have been a huge mistake, because the list is now a disaster. I invite anyone to weigh in over there, to keep the conversation in one place, if you think it is a conversation worth having. TNstingray (talk) 23:29, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

The Hunt for Ben Solo

A draft for this cancelled film was started at Draft:The Hunt for Ben Solo and I have done some work to expand it. I'm hesitant to rush into anything since we only found out about this less than a week ago, but I do think this is a candidate for eventually having a mainspace article to discuss the development work done and the reception to its revelation / cancellation. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:56, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

TIE fighter cull

I've proposed a significant culling of TIE fighter and am posting a heads-up on the broader talk page. Please chime in. --EEMIV (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)